One could argue, that “lifting” implies moving an object by _physical_ strength … and as god has no body (at least none that we know of) he is thus quite incapable of doing _any_ lifting at all (even the nachos, sorry god)
Personally I would say that if he is truly omnipotent then that means he can do anything including removing his omnipotence and also create a means for him to recover it so yes that is pretty much it.
I just gotta say I love your humor when it comes to religion. You’re never insulting about it, you just have fun with the material. And it’s always hilarious. Good show.
God is powerful enough that even if He did make a rock like that, He’d figure out how to lift it. He’s paradoxical that way.
The real question is: Why would He want to?
Why not? its fun to make fun of the atheist, who claim that they are logical and scientific, but in reality, they believe in everything from the internet as long as it is anti-religion.
uh, euphgeek,
i’ve been saying the latter part about theists for years 😛
but maybe we could avoid arguments over religion here, i come here to have a laugh, not flame theists/non-theists xD
(that goes for you too, Someone)
agnostic atheist. I don’t think agnostic means what you think it means.
I say that as one of the world’s smallest giants or largest midget, I forget which it is.
Agnostic Athiest – Does not believe in a god, but admits that there is a possibility of one, no matter how slight the chance or how unprovable that god may be.
Gnostic Athiest – Claims that they know and can prove that there is no god
Most people misuse the word agnostic as a way of saying ‘doesn’t care’ or ‘doesn’t want to offend anyone’
If you’re not one of those atheists who goes around smugly proclaiming that anyone who believes in god(s) is an idiot, then obviously I wasn’t talking about you. And there are more out there than just in /r/atheism.
If Man were to hear even an utterance of the voice of God, his ears would bleed and his brain would explode. …We went through three Adams before we figured that one out…
I still remember when my high-school phylosophy teacher talked many years ago about the paradox of the stone – to see it rendered today on Bug was awesome. Oh, and as a huge Tolkien fan, the third one killed it for me. Keep going 🙂
Actually one answer is that he already has done so. By creating the universe, it is a ‘rock’ that can not be lifted from within the universe, and would not be noticed if lifted from without.
Y’know, as we don’t have very long experience or much scientific research on the average lifespan of gods*), it’s hard to tell in what shape god may be. Perhaps he’s just reached puberty?
*) Mankind knows a lot of gods in their history, but not a single tale tells that any god has died from old age. Usually the get either killed by other gods or they simply vanish when noone believes in them anymore.
Okay, so, personal theological interpretations: weight is not something that limits God’s omnipotence. It would be like asking if He could make a ball so purple he cannot juggle it.
The quantity that can withstand Him is divinity. So, He could make a rock so divine He cannot lift it. Tricky bit is, the Trinity is also called the Triune for a reason. Were God to make a rock He cannot lift, the Rock would lift Itself should the need ever arise, unless God reordered the entire universe first to change how values interact with each other. Or perhaps made a pocket of alternate interactions to keep the Rock in, or set an outcome for paradox.
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One could argue, that “lifting” implies moving an object by _physical_ strength … and as god has no body (at least none that we know of) he is thus quite incapable of doing _any_ lifting at all (even the nachos, sorry god)
If god is omnipresent, he _is_ the rock. Could you lift yourself? Could you wash sunshine? Could you garble warble farp?
There is a lot of meh in this paradox. I’d take panels 2 and 3 on a T-shirt, by the way.
10,000,000 points for mentioning the Silmarillion o.O
Silmarillion ftw!
“Pew! Pew!” ROFL!
I’ve found the best answer to that conundrum is “Yes, and then He’d do it anyway.” XD
Love the comic.
Personally I would say that if he is truly omnipotent then that means he can do anything including removing his omnipotence and also create a means for him to recover it so yes that is pretty much it.
That’s my thinking. In other news, God also designed evolution.
Simple, just make himself impossible to lift any rock within a certain period of time.
I wish we could convince god to add pokemons in this world. Oh sad reality
On the eighth day, God created nachos, and he saw that it was good.
When I was living in my first apartment I ate nachos for dinner WAY too many times.
Eeew. don’t want those nachos.
God can in fact make a rock he can’t lift. He wears it as a pinkie ring.
I just gotta say I love your humor when it comes to religion. You’re never insulting about it, you just have fun with the material. And it’s always hilarious. Good show.
Thanks!
I agree, which is why I have one of Adam’s prints on my wall.
God is powerful enough that even if He did make a rock like that, He’d figure out how to lift it. He’s paradoxical that way.
The real question is: Why would He want to?
Why not? its fun to make fun of the atheist, who claim that they are logical and scientific, but in reality, they believe in everything from the internet as long as it is anti-religion.
Yep. And they love their logical fallacies, but if you start pointing out the ones they’re using, they get pretty annoyed.
uh, euphgeek,
i’ve been saying the latter part about theists for years 😛
but maybe we could avoid arguments over religion here, i come here to have a laugh, not flame theists/non-theists xD
(that goes for you too, Someone)
Yes, I know that theists are just as guilty, if not more so, of being illogical as atheists. I wasn’t suggesting that they are completely blameless.
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speaking for agnostic atheists everywhere
what in hell are you talking about
you too euphgeek; /r/atheism != atheism
agnostic atheist. I don’t think agnostic means what you think it means.
I say that as one of the world’s smallest giants or largest midget, I forget which it is.
Atheism does equal atheism though.
Agnostic Athiest – Does not believe in a god, but admits that there is a possibility of one, no matter how slight the chance or how unprovable that god may be.
Gnostic Athiest – Claims that they know and can prove that there is no god
Most people misuse the word agnostic as a way of saying ‘doesn’t care’ or ‘doesn’t want to offend anyone’
agnostic – knows there is no way to prove the existence, or not, of a god
atheist – does not believe a god exists
I fail to see the contradiction here
also have you ever been to /r/atheism – it’s the biggest pile of pretentious dickbags on reddit, and not at all representative of the whole
If you’re not one of those atheists who goes around smugly proclaiming that anyone who believes in god(s) is an idiot, then obviously I wasn’t talking about you. And there are more out there than just in /r/atheism.
I feel like I need to turn in my geek card because I had to Google The Silmarillion.
Nachos, no problem. Pew, pew, enjoy. Microwaves, I don’t need no stinkin’ microwaves, too slow.
On the third day God created fire hydrants. Love it! And the Silmarillion.
Why doesn’t he just create another microwave on top of the counter?
Or is that too much effort?
*haha* That was exactly my thought, too! 😀
Ummm .. answering to myself … #-/
Screw the microwave – why doesn’t he create a bowl of fried nachos already?
The appendix of the Silmarillion is more confusing than the Bible.
Billion x Brazillian = Silmarillion
If he can make himself look like Alanis Morissette, he can do pretty much anything he wants.
If Man were to hear even an utterance of the voice of God, his ears would bleed and his brain would explode. …We went through three Adams before we figured that one out…
Going on memory from about 4 years ago. 😀
I don’t know why but I always thought he said “Atoms”…No idea why that would even make sense…
Doesn’t God sound suspiciously like Cthulu in that (and some other) respect(s)?
I still remember when my high-school phylosophy teacher talked many years ago about the paradox of the stone – to see it rendered today on Bug was awesome. Oh, and as a huge Tolkien fan, the third one killed it for me. Keep going 🙂
The question has been answered!
http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/tom-the-dancing-bug-and-w.html
That would explain why he lost that wrestling match with Jacob.
Couldn’t God just create a new toaster on the counter? XP
Our in that case, just create himself the nachos?
Actually one answer is that he already has done so. By creating the universe, it is a ‘rock’ that can not be lifted from within the universe, and would not be noticed if lifted from without.
Y’know, as we don’t have very long experience or much scientific research on the average lifespan of gods*), it’s hard to tell in what shape god may be. Perhaps he’s just reached puberty?
*) Mankind knows a lot of gods in their history, but not a single tale tells that any god has died from old age. Usually the get either killed by other gods or they simply vanish when noone believes in them anymore.
Old people aren’t so good at squatting either.
God is capable of doing everything, as He is omnipotent. He could create a square circle if He wanted.
Okay, so, personal theological interpretations: weight is not something that limits God’s omnipotence. It would be like asking if He could make a ball so purple he cannot juggle it.
The quantity that can withstand Him is divinity. So, He could make a rock so divine He cannot lift it. Tricky bit is, the Trinity is also called the Triune for a reason. Were God to make a rock He cannot lift, the Rock would lift Itself should the need ever arise, unless God reordered the entire universe first to change how values interact with each other. Or perhaps made a pocket of alternate interactions to keep the Rock in, or set an outcome for paradox.