Germany’s version of Sean Spicer was Joseph Goebbels. He told the Führer’s daffy ideas directly to the people. Goebbels: “Wollt Ihr den totalen Krieg?” People: Jaaaaa!
Yeah, Goebbels, delusional asswipe extraordinare. As bad an antisemite as Hitler (if not worse), he advocated the holocaust to be as big as possible. Second in command, architect of the German “total war”-effort. Killed himself in 1945 after murdering his own six children. Really, Adam, do *not* feel bad for that guy.
If we had an honest press that considered it their duty to tell the American people the truth, Obama would have looked at least as silly, if not far more so.
“Oh, I only heard about that like the rest of you, when I read the newspapers.”
“Okay, Mr. President, that sounds perfectly reasonable to us.”
Well at least your previous face was well spoken and photogenic while still screwing over every allied country as well as his own.
That whole Snowden is a traitor to the state thing.
Everyone seems to harp that stuff was leaked but nobody seems to get it into their nacho cheese stuffed, beer soaked, sports addled heads that what was leaked was, and is, horrible and just the tip of shenanigans.
It’s all about the partisan tribalism these days. Very few people even think through their own stances on the issue anymore, it’s just a reflexive “my side good, their side bad”.
While people have stopped paying attention, both parties have been working for the same side, that of an ever-growing, increasingly centralized, authoritarian central government – at the expense of your freedom.
We really need a new party, one that’s about restoring the separation of powers, increasing accountability, and returning to the more limited government that our founders envisioned.
It’s harder to abuse powers if they aren’t granted.
You’re right, Random, except that I don’t think it’s any worse than it ever has been. That new party is definitely needed, except that forming one means getting enough people to agree on a platform, which is not possible. There are too many shades of gray for us to agree on just 1. So everyone will fall back on the 2 devils we know.
Donald Trump ran not just against the opposing candidate, but also against the press, academia, Hollywood, and half of his own party, and won. Say whatever you like about him—unlike leftists, I believe in free speech—but calling him stupid is just revealing how mind-bogglingly stupid you yourself are.
A cripple does not win an Olympic race while dragging a 100 pound anvil behind him, and an idiot would not win the presidency running against virtually every position of power in the country.
yeah… I read Zaklog’s comment and immediately saw the “flame war” starting… I made a mental note to come back and see how it went. Very glad to see that not too many Bug fans took the bait. 🙂 Bug fans are pretty civilized huh? 😀
Goebbels was much to powerful and influential to be compared to Sean Spicer, I think Hitlers Press Chief, Otto Dietrich is a much better match. He declared victory over Russia just before Germany lost the Battle of Moscow.
Hitler never talked about the holocaust, or anything else too controversial.
He was always careful to make sure someone else announced his cruelest plans. Likewise, he never signed the orders. That way if they backfired, he wouldn’t be the one to be blamed.
It frustrates historians to no end because they can’t directly attribute anything to Hitler. Without second hand accounts, one could mistakenly believe that he was just a figurehead without any power.
Besides Goebbels, Hitler also had Lenei Reifenstahl, a brilliant screenwriter, actress, and director, who created some of Hitler’s best propaganda. She went to her grave claiming to have known nothing about the Holocaust, and nobody could truly prove otherwise. But it seems rather unbelievable that she didn’t know what was going on.
But yeah, both of them seem a bit too powerful and brilliant. I think Martin’s argument for Otto Dietrich seems like a better choice.
Don’t even get me started on neo-Nazi’s. There are a few crazy-stupid people in this world. Well, more than a few, but… okay maybe most. With great power comes great butt-headedness.
Then perhaps it’s time to cite another great german: I think it was Konrad Adenauer who said: “Take people as they are – there are no others.” Or something like that.
Or another great quote: “Humans are the only creatures on Earth that endangers the very planet they live on. It would seem with an abundance of intelligence comes an abundance of stupidity.”
I can see a Bug Martini comic strip where someone is pouring toxic waste in their bed… ;D
I’d say, the level of stupidity stays the same throughout all living things. There are enough viruses and fungi that will eventually kill whatever structure they’re living on, causing their own death. Humans usually don’t notice that because those kind of creatures have it much easier to move on and start anew.
Humans are still trying to figure out how to leave the one and only place behind that they have so far.
Gurk, there’s a difference between human kind and a virus: a virus has no choice as to what it does. It doesn’t know what it’s doing, so it can’t be “stupid”. We can look at the world around us, examine history, actually look ahead and see the potential consequences of our actions. When we do so and plunge headlong into self-destruction anyway– that’s the definition of “stupid”.
Yeah. Not just in 2017 either. Hitler reportedly murder millions of people. For that he was rightly labeled a monster and war criminal. The United States dropped atomic bombs on heavily-populated civilian cities. Twice. For that it deemed itself “justified”. In reality it’s all monstrous.
Zaklog, you don’t know your history or you wouldn’t make such a statement. Or did you miss the part about “In reality it’s all monstrous.” If you feel that dropping two A-bombs on civilian populations was in any way a good thing– I suggest you take a deep look in a mirror and earnestly ask yourself who you’re looking at. And then after you do that, take a look at the world around you and give some real thought to it rather than just gut reaction. What if it had been YOUR parents… your sister and brother… your wife… at the heart of that nuclear reaction. Or maybe they were at the outskirts so it just burned their skin and left it hanging from their muscles and bones. YOUR loved ones, not “theirs”.
No, Pearl Harbor was not justified. A Japanese General said it was a severe error the moment he heard of it. It was bad. It was wrong. Just like all the rest of it– Hitler, the atomic bomb, napalm, poison gas, whatever method is used. Stop looking at the politics– and start thinking about the people… the ones who have no more control over what goes on than you have control over our military engine. Then remember this: the sword always cuts both ways.
Absurd? Odd reaction. Protesting dropping atomic bombs on two populated cities is “absurd”? Hopefully the opposite should be true. I think you don’t realize how other countries feel about the U.S. using atomic weapons as a show of power. You may find it caused some hard feelings. And for the record I’m a U.S. Citizen. I just happened to study history in college– where they don’t sugar-coat things like they do in grammar and high school. Dropping those bombs was an abomination. If you feel differently you’re entitled to that– just as others are entitled to see it for what it really was: mass-murder of two large civilian populations in the name of political power. Which is why I stated and will state again: It is ALL monstrous. Pointing a finger at Hitler while defending the obliteration of two heavily-populated cities by nuclear destruction would might be considered by some to be narrow-visioned. Both were massive destruction of human life committed in the name of national power. If you’re not aware of that, I’d recommend examinging further how the rest of the world viewed the attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It’s easily researched on the Net. At the very least– it brought mankind into the age of the nuclear arms race and resultant massive radioactive pollution of this planet.
As a note, I’m not being “political” at all in this discussion. I’m being humanist.
I’d have to side with Zaklog on this one. Japan was extremely stubborn with giving up the war, and the only alternative to dropping the atomic bombs was to commence a full scale invasion of the Japanese islands, where Japan’s armies were strong holding at the end of the Pacific War. It was called “Operation Downfall”, which Japan had predicted for and was prepared to defend against with “Operation Ketsugo”. Whether more casualties would have occurred if we followed through with Operation Downfall instead of dropping the bombs is disputed even to this day, but what we do know is that it shortened the length of the war and that it effectively demonstrated to the world the horrifying power of the atomic bomb.
I’ll not disagree with your observations Bugster; that is part of a very long debate. The other side states that the Japanese were almost ready to surrender as it was, the U.S. was well aware of this, and hurriedly dropped the bombs before Japan decided to surrender in order to establish its military presence. There are significant documents presenting both sides of the debate.
The U.S. claims it saved lives by cutting short the war. Counter-arguments state the war was almost over anyway and that there were other ways to save lives than dropping nuclear WMDs on two civilian-populated cities. Some people consider it one of the most monstrous things ever done in the name of war. Others disagree. The debate will be settled eventually… one way or another.
Two questions however have gone largely and intentionally unanswered over the decades:
1) Could the U.S. have demonstrated its superiority on an uninhabited bit of land and warned the Japanese that if they didn’t surrender immediately their largest cities would be bombed… thus saving lives on both sides of the issue.
2) Was it really necessary to detonate the second bomb? Wasn’t one enough?
Those two questions have been discussed repeatedly without good answers. There’s lots of speculation of course, but no one can truthfully say the Japanese wouldn’t have surrendered given sufficient warning.
Did the bombing change Japanese society for the better– ie, give the nation a good humbling and turn their focus from war to manufacturing? That is another question that has been discussed: the psychological effects of war… but that one comes back to “Does the ends justify the means?”
Is current day Japan worth the destruction of (initially) 130,000 lives– and far more from the after-effects? Does the attitude-change that occurred nation-wide warrant such a bombing? That could be a dangerous train of thought.
Interesting discussion. It’s been done before of course, in books, newspapers and all over the net. But Bug Martini is a new venue for it. : )
I knew this was gonna happen when Adam wrote, “I normally don’t like to do political strips…” Yeah, open THAT canaworms. 😀
Germany’s version of Sean Spicer was Joseph Goebbels. He told the Führer’s daffy ideas directly to the people. Goebbels: “Wollt Ihr den totalen Krieg?” People: Jaaaaa!
Spicey wishes he was half as good as Joseph Goebbels.
Basically Goebbels and a gleichgeschaltete (“synchronized”) press.
Yeah, Goebbels, delusional asswipe extraordinare. As bad an antisemite as Hitler (if not worse), he advocated the holocaust to be as big as possible. Second in command, architect of the German “total war”-effort. Killed himself in 1945 after murdering his own six children. Really, Adam, do *not* feel bad for that guy.
If we had an honest press that considered it their duty to tell the American people the truth, Obama would have looked at least as silly, if not far more so.
“Oh, I only heard about that like the rest of you, when I read the newspapers.”
“Okay, Mr. President, that sounds perfectly reasonable to us.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Whatever, Trumpanzee – whatever makes you feel better about the imbecile you have in office now.
Well at least your previous face was well spoken and photogenic while still screwing over every allied country as well as his own.
That whole Snowden is a traitor to the state thing.
Everyone seems to harp that stuff was leaked but nobody seems to get it into their nacho cheese stuffed, beer soaked, sports addled heads that what was leaked was, and is, horrible and just the tip of shenanigans.
It’s all about the partisan tribalism these days. Very few people even think through their own stances on the issue anymore, it’s just a reflexive “my side good, their side bad”.
While people have stopped paying attention, both parties have been working for the same side, that of an ever-growing, increasingly centralized, authoritarian central government – at the expense of your freedom.
We really need a new party, one that’s about restoring the separation of powers, increasing accountability, and returning to the more limited government that our founders envisioned.
It’s harder to abuse powers if they aren’t granted.
You’re right, Random, except that I don’t think it’s any worse than it ever has been. That new party is definitely needed, except that forming one means getting enough people to agree on a platform, which is not possible. There are too many shades of gray for us to agree on just 1. So everyone will fall back on the 2 devils we know.
“the imbecile you have in office now”
Donald Trump ran not just against the opposing candidate, but also against the press, academia, Hollywood, and half of his own party, and won. Say whatever you like about him—unlike leftists, I believe in free speech—but calling him stupid is just revealing how mind-bogglingly stupid you yourself are.
A cripple does not win an Olympic race while dragging a 100 pound anvil behind him, and an idiot would not win the presidency running against virtually every position of power in the country.
That he won proves that he is not stupid at winning. Problem with those lefties is, that they have manners, so by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor they shy away from attributing his actions to malice. Stupid, stupid manners … http://jensorensen.com/2017/02/28/cartoon-trump-voters-supporters/
Yeah, and this comment is why I don’t blame Adam for avoiding political themed cartoons.
Too right, mate! Keep up the good work, Adam. I love your Hitler bug, and the Spice-bug in the first panel.
yeah… I read Zaklog’s comment and immediately saw the “flame war” starting… I made a mental note to come back and see how it went. Very glad to see that not too many Bug fans took the bait. 🙂 Bug fans are pretty civilized huh? 😀
But he “didn’t want to get political”… oky-doky…
Disagreement with Obama isn’t proof of idiocy on his part.
Goebbels was much to powerful and influential to be compared to Sean Spicer, I think Hitlers Press Chief, Otto Dietrich is a much better match. He declared victory over Russia just before Germany lost the Battle of Moscow.
We love the Iraqi information minister!
You are right, Goebbels was an acting person himself where Spicer is just a x news announcer (with the value of x according to one’s political view).
BLASPHEMY! (I point finger and lady faints suddenly)
So how long have you been whizzing on churches?
Only a week or so… but I hit the spire once already!
(Couldn’t resist the slight change.)
Good point. I hadn’t thughot about it quite that way. 🙂
So, which will prevail, the offended people or the “ugh, here come the offended people” people?
So far, one comment out of thirteen falls into either category, which I count as a win for the society.
Hitler never talked about the holocaust, or anything else too controversial.
He was always careful to make sure someone else announced his cruelest plans. Likewise, he never signed the orders. That way if they backfired, he wouldn’t be the one to be blamed.
It frustrates historians to no end because they can’t directly attribute anything to Hitler. Without second hand accounts, one could mistakenly believe that he was just a figurehead without any power.
the furher said it would just be a cook out, then later a bonfire with plenty of activities
“Now we’re cooking with gas.”
As someone of Jewish decent, I refuse to apologize for this!
Besides Goebbels, Hitler also had Lenei Reifenstahl, a brilliant screenwriter, actress, and director, who created some of Hitler’s best propaganda. She went to her grave claiming to have known nothing about the Holocaust, and nobody could truly prove otherwise. But it seems rather unbelievable that she didn’t know what was going on.
But yeah, both of them seem a bit too powerful and brilliant. I think Martin’s argument for Otto Dietrich seems like a better choice.
I just want to say for the record that I LOVE panel #3!
Ms. Bug punching the Nazi while Mr. Bug gives her the thumbs up. Awesome!
Don’t even get me started on neo-Nazi’s. There are a few crazy-stupid people in this world. Well, more than a few, but… okay maybe most. With great power comes great butt-headedness.
Then perhaps it’s time to cite another great german: I think it was Konrad Adenauer who said: “Take people as they are – there are no others.” Or something like that.
Or another great quote: “Humans are the only creatures on Earth that endangers the very planet they live on. It would seem with an abundance of intelligence comes an abundance of stupidity.”
I can see a Bug Martini comic strip where someone is pouring toxic waste in their bed… ;D
I’d say, the level of stupidity stays the same throughout all living things. There are enough viruses and fungi that will eventually kill whatever structure they’re living on, causing their own death. Humans usually don’t notice that because those kind of creatures have it much easier to move on and start anew.
Humans are still trying to figure out how to leave the one and only place behind that they have so far.
Gurk, there’s a difference between human kind and a virus: a virus has no choice as to what it does. It doesn’t know what it’s doing, so it can’t be “stupid”. We can look at the world around us, examine history, actually look ahead and see the potential consequences of our actions. When we do so and plunge headlong into self-destruction anyway– that’s the definition of “stupid”.
A virus doesn’t know any better. We should.
Political violence is acceptable in 2017.
For some reason.
Yeah. Not just in 2017 either. Hitler reportedly murder millions of people. For that he was rightly labeled a monster and war criminal. The United States dropped atomic bombs on heavily-populated civilian cities. Twice. For that it deemed itself “justified”. In reality it’s all monstrous.
“The United States dropped atomic bombs on heavily-populated civilian cities.”
Yup, the U.S. just randomly decided out of nowhere to attack Japan. What a horrific, unprovoked act of aggression that was.
Zaklog, you don’t know your history or you wouldn’t make such a statement. Or did you miss the part about “In reality it’s all monstrous.” If you feel that dropping two A-bombs on civilian populations was in any way a good thing– I suggest you take a deep look in a mirror and earnestly ask yourself who you’re looking at. And then after you do that, take a look at the world around you and give some real thought to it rather than just gut reaction. What if it had been YOUR parents… your sister and brother… your wife… at the heart of that nuclear reaction. Or maybe they were at the outskirts so it just burned their skin and left it hanging from their muscles and bones. YOUR loved ones, not “theirs”.
No, Pearl Harbor was not justified. A Japanese General said it was a severe error the moment he heard of it. It was bad. It was wrong. Just like all the rest of it– Hitler, the atomic bomb, napalm, poison gas, whatever method is used. Stop looking at the politics– and start thinking about the people… the ones who have no more control over what goes on than you have control over our military engine. Then remember this: the sword always cuts both ways.
I wasn’t saying it was justified. There are reasonable arguments on both sides. What I was saying was the way you were presenting it was absurd.
Absurd? Odd reaction. Protesting dropping atomic bombs on two populated cities is “absurd”? Hopefully the opposite should be true. I think you don’t realize how other countries feel about the U.S. using atomic weapons as a show of power. You may find it caused some hard feelings. And for the record I’m a U.S. Citizen. I just happened to study history in college– where they don’t sugar-coat things like they do in grammar and high school. Dropping those bombs was an abomination. If you feel differently you’re entitled to that– just as others are entitled to see it for what it really was: mass-murder of two large civilian populations in the name of political power. Which is why I stated and will state again: It is ALL monstrous. Pointing a finger at Hitler while defending the obliteration of two heavily-populated cities by nuclear destruction would might be considered by some to be narrow-visioned. Both were massive destruction of human life committed in the name of national power. If you’re not aware of that, I’d recommend examinging further how the rest of the world viewed the attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It’s easily researched on the Net. At the very least– it brought mankind into the age of the nuclear arms race and resultant massive radioactive pollution of this planet.
As a note, I’m not being “political” at all in this discussion. I’m being humanist.
Oops, wrong term there. Not “humanist”. Humanitarian.
I’d have to side with Zaklog on this one. Japan was extremely stubborn with giving up the war, and the only alternative to dropping the atomic bombs was to commence a full scale invasion of the Japanese islands, where Japan’s armies were strong holding at the end of the Pacific War. It was called “Operation Downfall”, which Japan had predicted for and was prepared to defend against with “Operation Ketsugo”. Whether more casualties would have occurred if we followed through with Operation Downfall instead of dropping the bombs is disputed even to this day, but what we do know is that it shortened the length of the war and that it effectively demonstrated to the world the horrifying power of the atomic bomb.
I’ll not disagree with your observations Bugster; that is part of a very long debate. The other side states that the Japanese were almost ready to surrender as it was, the U.S. was well aware of this, and hurriedly dropped the bombs before Japan decided to surrender in order to establish its military presence. There are significant documents presenting both sides of the debate.
The U.S. claims it saved lives by cutting short the war. Counter-arguments state the war was almost over anyway and that there were other ways to save lives than dropping nuclear WMDs on two civilian-populated cities. Some people consider it one of the most monstrous things ever done in the name of war. Others disagree. The debate will be settled eventually… one way or another.
Two questions however have gone largely and intentionally unanswered over the decades:
1) Could the U.S. have demonstrated its superiority on an uninhabited bit of land and warned the Japanese that if they didn’t surrender immediately their largest cities would be bombed… thus saving lives on both sides of the issue.
2) Was it really necessary to detonate the second bomb? Wasn’t one enough?
Those two questions have been discussed repeatedly without good answers. There’s lots of speculation of course, but no one can truthfully say the Japanese wouldn’t have surrendered given sufficient warning.
Did the bombing change Japanese society for the better– ie, give the nation a good humbling and turn their focus from war to manufacturing? That is another question that has been discussed: the psychological effects of war… but that one comes back to “Does the ends justify the means?”
Is current day Japan worth the destruction of (initially) 130,000 lives– and far more from the after-effects? Does the attitude-change that occurred nation-wide warrant such a bombing? That could be a dangerous train of thought.
Interesting discussion. It’s been done before of course, in books, newspapers and all over the net. But Bug Martini is a new venue for it. : )
I knew this was gonna happen when Adam wrote, “I normally don’t like to do political strips…” Yeah, open THAT canaworms. 😀
So many comments and none on the SS-Wordplay?
I like… so totally missed that. /me hangs head in shame